This page throws every kind of suicide-burn problem at you: normal numbers, a moving start, the "engine too weak" degenerate case, the limiting behaviour, a real-world word problem, and an exam twist that adds mass loss. Each one is fully chewed. Start from the parent note if any symbol here is unfamiliar — but I re-define everything below.
Definition The three symbols we reuse everywhere
v — the downward speed at the instant the engine lights, measured in metres per second (m/s ). Bigger v = falling faster.
a T = F / m — the upward acceleration the engine alone would give , thrust force F divided by mass m , in m/s 2 .
g — gravity's downward acceleration , m/s 2 (Earth ≈ 10 , Moon ≈ 1.6 ).
The one workhorse formula, from the parent note:
h b u r n = 2 ( a T − g ) v 2
Read it aloud: "the height you need to stop = falling-speed-squared, divided by twice the leftover push. "
Every problem this topic can pose falls into one of these cells. The Example that covers each cell is named in the last column.
Cell
What makes it special
Sign / regime of a T − g
Covered by
A. Plain
Given v , a T , g → find h b u r n
positive, comfortable margin
Ex 1
B. Weak margin
a T only just above g
positive but small → huge height
Ex 2
C. Degenerate
a T ≤ g
zero or negative → impossible
Ex 3
D. Zero input
v = 0 (already stopped)
any
Ex 4
E. Free-fall start
Dropped from rest through H , find ignition altitude h ∗
positive
Ex 5
F. Different world
Change g (Moon/Mars)
positive, large margin
Ex 6
G. Word problem
Real lander, sensor triggers
positive
Ex 7
H. Limiting behaviour
What happens as a T → g + or a T → ∞
limit
Ex 8
I. Exam twist
Mass drops during burn (Tsiolkovsky-flavoured)
positive, growing
Ex 9
Worked example Example 1 — straight substitution
A lander is falling at v = 80 m/s . Engine gives a T = 25 m/s 2 , and g = 10 m/s 2 . Find the ignition altitude h b u r n .
Forecast: The leftover push is 25 − 10 = 15 . Guess: a few hundred metres? Write your number before reading on.
Net braking acceleration: a n e t = a T − g = 25 − 10 = 15 m/s 2 .
Why this step? Gravity keeps pulling during the burn, so only the excess thrust actually slows you. Using 25 would over-promise your braking.
Apply the formula: h b u r n = 2 a n e t v 2 = 2 ⋅ 15 8 0 2 = 30 6400 .
Why this step? This is the kinematic relation v f 2 = v i 2 + 2 a d with v f = 0 , solved for the distance d .
Divide: 30 6400 ≈ 213.3 m .
Verify: Units — ( m/s ) 2 / ( m/s 2 ) = m . ✓ Good, it's a length. Sanity: falling at 80 with a strong engine, ~213 m of runway is reasonable.
Worked example Example 2 — same speed, weak engine
Same v = 80 m/s , g = 10 , but a weak engine: a T = 11 m/s 2 . Find h b u r n .
Forecast: The margin is only 1 , versus 15 in Ex 1 — fifteen times smaller. Do you think h b u r n grows by × 15 ?
Net braking: a n e t = 11 − 10 = 1 m/s 2 .
Why this step? The engine barely beats gravity — almost nothing left over to brake.
Formula: h b u r n = 2 ⋅ 1 8 0 2 = 2 6400 = 3200 m .
Why this step? Same kinematics; small denominator → huge answer.
Verify: Ratio to Ex 1: 3200/213.3 = 15.0 . ✓ Exactly 15 × , matching the 15 × smaller margin — h b u r n is inversely proportional to a n e t . Lesson: a feeble engine forces you to ignite kilometres up, which is dangerous. This is why real landers keep a T comfortably above g .
Worked example Example 3 — when the maths refuses
Same v = 80 , g = 10 , but a T = 8 m/s 2 . Find h b u r n .
Forecast: The engine pushes up at 8 , gravity pulls down at 10 . Which wins? What does that do to the formula?
Net acceleration: a n e t = 8 − 10 = − 2 m/s 2 .
Why this step? Negative means the net acceleration still points down — even at full throttle you keep speeding up toward the ground.
Try the formula: h b u r n = 2 ⋅ ( − 2 ) 6400 = − 1600 m .
Why this step? A negative height is physically meaningless — it's the maths screaming "there is no altitude that saves you."
Verify: No suicide burn exists when a T ≤ g . The vehicle cannot decelerate; it will crash regardless of ignition timing. The requirement is a hard inequality: a T > g . See figure below for the sign map.
Look at the figure: only the region right of the vertical line (a T > g ) gives a real, positive braking distance. On the line (a T = g ) the height blows up to infinity; left of it, no solution.
Worked example Example 4 — already stopped
A hovering lander has v = 0 (momentarily at rest). What is h b u r n ?
Forecast: No downward speed to kill. How much stopping distance do you need?
Formula: h b u r n = 2 ( a T − g ) 0 2 = anything positive 0 = 0 m .
Why this step? If you carry zero speed, you need zero distance to reach zero speed — you're already there.
Verify: 0/ ( positive ) = 0 . ✓ Consistent. Physically: if you truly reach v = 0 at the ground you have landed; if you reach it above the ground you'd start falling again (this is exactly the "fired too early" failure from the parent note).
Worked example Example 5 — dropped from rest through a known height
A vehicle is released from rest and free-falls. Total drop available to the ground is H t o t = 2000 m . Engine: a T = 30 , g = 10 . At what altitude h ∗ above the ground must it ignite?
Forecast: As it falls, speed grows and the needed burn height grows too. They must meet somewhere. Higher or lower than the halfway mark, 1000 m?
Speed at ignition, having fallen ( H t o t − h ∗ ) : free-fall from rest gives v i g n = 2 g ( H t o t − h ∗ ) , so v i g n 2 = 2 g ( H t o t − h ∗ ) .
Why this step? Energy / kinematics: falling from rest through distance d builds speed v = 2 g d . Here d = H t o t − h ∗ (the part already fallen).
Set ignition altitude = required burn height: h ∗ = 2 ( a T − g ) v i g n 2 .
Why this step? We ignite exactly when current altitude h ∗ equals the distance we'll need to stop.
Substitute step 1 into step 2: h ∗ = 2 ( a T − g ) 2 g ( H t o t − h ∗ ) = a T − g g ( H t o t − h ∗ ) .
Why this step? Eliminates v ; now one unknown h ∗ .
Solve algebraically: multiply out: h ∗ ( a T − g ) = g H t o t − g h ∗ , so h ∗ ( a T − g + g ) = g H t o t , giving h ∗ = a T g H t o t .
Why this step? The g 's recombine neatly — the ignition altitude is just g / a T of the total drop.
Plug numbers: h ∗ = 30 10 ⋅ 2000 = 30 20000 ≈ 666.7 m .
Verify: Below the halfway mark 1000 m, as forecast — you fall most of the way, then brake hard low down. Cross-check speed: fell 2000 − 666.7 = 1333.3 m, so v i g n = 2 ⋅ 10 ⋅ 1333.3 = 26666.7 ≈ 163.3 m/s ; then h b u r n = 163. 3 2 / ( 2 ⋅ 20 ) = 26666.7/40 = 666.7 m. ✓ Same number both ways.
Worked example Example 6 — landing on the Moon
Falling at v = 100 m/s , engine a T = 20 , Moon gravity g = 1.6 m/s 2 . Find h b u r n , and compare to Earth (g = 10 ).
Forecast: Weaker gravity → bigger leftover push → shorter or longer burn distance?
Moon net braking: a n e t = 20 − 1.6 = 18.4 m/s 2 .
Why this step? Less gravity to fight means more of the thrust goes into braking.
Moon height: h b u r n = 2 ⋅ 18.4 10 0 2 = 36.8 10000 ≈ 271.7 m .
Earth comparison: a n e t = 20 − 10 = 10 , h b u r n = 10000/20 = 500 m .
Why this step? Same inputs except g , to isolate gravity's effect.
Verify: Moon 272 m < Earth 500 m. ✓ Lower gravity ⇒ shorter braking distance, as forecast. Ratio 500/271.7 ≈ 1.84 = 18.4/10 , matching the inverse-margin rule from Ex 2.
Worked example Example 7 — the radar-triggered landing
A Mars lander (treat g = 3.6 m/s 2 ) descends at a steady v = 60 m/s under a parachute it just cut away. Its engine can deliver a T = 15 m/s 2 . Its landing radar reads altitude directly. (a) At what altitude should the flight computer light the engine? (b) If radar has ± 5 m error, is that dangerous here?
Forecast: Mars gravity is between Moon and Earth. Guess the ignition altitude to the nearest 50 m.
Net braking: a n e t = 15 − 3.6 = 11.4 m/s 2 .
Why this step? Subtract Mars gravity — it keeps pulling during the burn.
Ignition altitude: h b u r n = 2 ⋅ 11.4 6 0 2 = 22.8 3600 ≈ 157.9 m .
Why this step? Standard formula; this is the trigger the computer waits for.
(b) Radar error impact: 5 m out of ≈ 158 m is about 3.2% . A late trigger by 5 m eats into stopping distance; whether that's fatal depends on thrust reserve — here margin is comfortable, so a small percentage error is survivable but should be padded.
Why this step? Always translate an absolute error into a fraction of the quantity that matters.
Verify: 5/157.9 = 0.0317 = 3.17% . ✓ Units on h b u r n : ( m/s ) 2 / ( m/s 2 ) = m . ✓ Answer sits between Moon-like and Earth-like values, as expected for Mars.
Worked example Example 8 — pushing the knobs to extremes
Keep v = 100 , g = 10 fixed. Describe h b u r n as (a) a T → g + = 1 0 + (engine barely beats gravity) and (b) a T → ∞ (infinitely strong engine). Give the numeric value at a T = 10.1 for (a).
Forecast: One limit blows up, one shrinks to nothing. Which is which?
Limit (a), a T → g + : a n e t = a T − g → 0 + , so h b u r n = 2 a n e t v 2 → + ∞ .
Why this step? Dividing a fixed number by something shrinking to zero → unbounded. You'd need infinite altitude — matches Cell C's boundary.
Numeric taste at a T = 10.1 : a n e t = 0.1 , h b u r n = 0.2 10000 = 50000 m = 50 km .
Why this step? Shows how brutally the height explodes near the boundary.
Limit (b), a T → ∞ : a n e t → ∞ , so h b u r n = 2 a n e t v 2 → 0 .
Why this step? An arbitrarily strong engine stops you in essentially no distance — ignite at the last metre.
Verify: At a T = 10.1 : 10000/ ( 2 ⋅ 0.1 ) = 10000/0.2 = 50000 . ✓ Confirms the blow-up near g ; and h b u r n → 0 as thrust grows, matching physical intuition (huge deceleration ⇒ tiny stopping distance).
Worked example Example 9 — constant-mass estimate vs. mass loss
A lander enters the burn at v = 200 m/s , mass m 0 = 1000 kg , constant thrust F = 30000 N , g = 10 . (a) Give the constant-mass burn-height estimate using the initial mass. (b) Explain qualitatively why the true height is less , invoking Tsiolkovsky Rocket Equation .
Forecast: As fuel leaves, mass falls, so a T = F / m rises. Does that make the real stopping distance longer or shorter than the constant-mass guess?
Initial thrust acceleration: a T = F / m 0 = 30000/1000 = 30 m/s 2 .
Why this step? a T = F / m from Thrust and Specific Impulse — the acceleration thrust alone provides at that instant.
Constant-mass net braking: a n e t = 30 − 10 = 20 m/s 2 .
Why this step? Subtract gravity from the initial thrust acceleration — only the leftover push brakes you, exactly as in every earlier example.
Constant-mass height: h b u r n = 2 ⋅ 20 20 0 2 = 40 40000 = 1000 m .
Why this step? This uses the weakest a T (biggest mass), so it's an over -estimate of the required height.
(b) Why true height is less: as propellant burns, m shrinks, so a T = F / m grows through the burn; deceleration gets stronger the longer you brake. Stronger braking than the constant-m model assumed ⇒ you stop in less distance. The exact answer comes from integrating a T ( t ) = F / ( m 0 − m ˙ t ) , the same mass-varying idea behind the Tsiolkovsky Rocket Equation .
Why this step? The exam wants you to know the constant-mass formula is a safe upper bound , and to name the correct tool for exactness.
Verify: 20 0 2 / ( 2 ⋅ 20 ) = 40000/40 = 1000 . ✓ The reasoning "m ↓⇒ a T ↑⇒ h b u r n ↓ " is monotonic and consistent with the parent note's "mass constant is the 80/20 estimate."
Recall Which cell was hardest for you?
Cover the table and re-derive Ex 5's clean result h ∗ = g H t o t / a T from scratch.
Derivation of h ∗ for free-fall start ::: Set h ∗ = 2 g ( H t o t − h ∗ ) / [ 2 ( a T − g )] , cross-multiply, collect h ∗ terms → h ∗ = g H t o t / a T .
Sign condition for any real solution ::: a T > g (strictly), else h b u r n ≤ 0 or infinite — no burn saves you.
Behaviour of h b u r n as a T → g + ::: It diverges to + ∞ — you'd need unlimited altitude.