Intuition What this page is for
The parent note built the machinery: p j = ∂ L / ∂ q ˙ j and Q j = ∑ i F i ⋅ ∂ r i / ∂ q j . Here we stress-test that machinery against every kind of case it can throw at you — length coordinates vs angle coordinates, positive vs negative signs, zero and degenerate inputs, limiting behaviour, a real-world word problem, and an exam twist. Do not skip the "Forecast" line: guessing first is what turns reading into learning.
Prerequisites you can lean on: Lagrangian Mechanics , Euler-Lagrange Equation , Generalized coordinates and constraints , D'Alembert's Principle , Angular momentum , Noether's Theorem .
Every problem in this topic is one (or more) of these cells . The 8 worked examples below are labelled by the cell they cover, and together they hit all of them.
Cell
What makes it distinct
Covered by
A. Length coordinate
q is a distance → p j is ordinary momentum, Q j is a real force
Ex 1, Ex 5
B. Angle coordinate
q is an angle → p j is angular momentum, Q j is a torque
Ex 2, Ex 6
C. Sign of Q j
force can be positive (driving) or negative (restoring)
Ex 2, Ex 4
D. Cyclic coordinate
q absent from L → p j conserved (Noether)
Ex 3
E. Force hidden in T
no potential, yet a generalized force appears from ∂ T / ∂ q
Ex 5
F. Zero / degenerate input
θ ˙ = 0 , r = 0 , or a coordinate at an equilibrium
Ex 4, Ex 7
G. Limiting behaviour
small-angle limit, large-mass limit, ω → 0
Ex 6 (small angle), Ex 5 (ω → 0 )
H. Real-world word problem
figure-skater / merry-go-round story
Ex 7
I. Exam twist
two coupled coordinates, a coupled cyclic momentum
Ex 8
The picture below fixes the coordinate: a single number x measured along the rail. Nothing depends on where we put the origin, which is exactly why x is cyclic.
A particle of mass m = 2 kg moves freely along the x -axis with velocity x ˙ = 3 m/s . No forces act. Find p x and Q x .
Forecast: Is p x just ordinary momentum? Is Q x exactly zero?
Step 1 — Write L . With no potential, L = T − V = 2 1 m x ˙ 2 − 0 = 2 1 m x ˙ 2 .
Why this step? The Lagrangian is always L = T − V ; here V = 0 , so L is pure kinetic energy.
Step 2 — Generalized momentum. p x = ∂ x ˙ ∂ L = m x ˙ = 2 ⋅ 3 = 6 kg⋅m/s .
Why this step? This is the definition of p j ; for a length coordinate the "mass factor" is just m , so it reduces to ordinary momentum.
Step 3 — Generalized force. From the boxed identity above, Q x = ∂ x ∂ L . Since T = 2 1 m x ˙ 2 has no x in it, ∂ x ∂ T = 0 , and V = 0 , so Q x = ∂ x ∂ L = ∂ x ∂ T − ∂ x ∂ V = 0 − 0 = 0 .
Why this step? The generalized force always equals ∂ L / ∂ x (that is what p ˙ x = ∂ L / ∂ x says). Here the Lagrangian has no x at all, so its derivative vanishes: no force, and x is cyclic.
Verify: Units of p x : kg ⋅ m/s ✓ (ordinary momentum). p ˙ x = Q x = 0 , so momentum is constant → the particle keeps sliding, as Newton demands. ✓
A pendulum: mass m = 1 kg , rod ℓ = 2 m , g = 9.8 m/s 2 , at angle θ = 3 0 ∘ from the downward vertical, swinging with θ ˙ = 0.5 rad/s . Find p θ and Q θ .
Look at the figure: the dashed line at the pivot height is our potential-energy reference level (V = 0 there); the red arrow is the gravity torque trying to pull θ back to zero.
Forecast: Will Q θ come out negative (restoring) here? What are its units?
Step 1 — Lagrangian. Combine kinetic and potential energy as L = T − V = 2 1 m ℓ 2 θ ˙ 2 − ( − m g ℓ cos θ ) = 2 1 m ℓ 2 θ ˙ 2 + m g ℓ cos θ .
Why this step? T = 2 1 m ℓ 2 θ ˙ 2 (speed = ℓ θ ˙ ). For V we measure height y = − ℓ cos θ from the pivot level (the dashed line in the figure, where V = 0 ), so V = m g y = − m g ℓ cos θ . Subtracting this in L = T − V flips the sign, which is why the potential enters L with a plus.
Step 2 — Generalized momentum. p θ = ∂ θ ˙ ∂ L = m ℓ 2 θ ˙ = 1 ⋅ 4 ⋅ 0.5 = 2 kg⋅m 2 / s .
Why this step? The coordinate is an angle , so its conjugate is angular momentum — units kg⋅m 2 / s , not kg⋅m/s .
Step 3 — Generalized force (a torque). By the boxed identity, Q θ = ∂ θ ∂ L = ∂ θ ∂ T − ∂ θ ∂ V . Here T = 2 1 m ℓ 2 θ ˙ 2 contains no bare θ , so ∂ T / ∂ θ = 0 and the whole force comes from the potential: Q θ = − ∂ θ ∂ V = − m g ℓ sin θ = − 1 ⋅ 9.8 ⋅ 2 ⋅ sin 3 0 ∘ = − 9.8 N⋅m .
Why this step? We must show why the shortcut − ∂ V / ∂ θ is legal here: because ∂ T / ∂ θ = 0 , the general ∂ L / ∂ θ reduces to it. Angle coordinate ⇒ Q θ is a torque ; the minus sign says gravity fights the increase of θ — it is restoring (Cell C, negative sign).
Verify: Units: m ℓ 2 θ ˙ = kg⋅m 2 / s ✓; m g ℓ sin θ = N⋅m ✓. Sign: at θ = 3 0 ∘ > 0 the bob is to the right, gravity pulls it back left → negative torque ✓.
The figure shows the polar coordinates: r (the distance) and θ (the angle swept). Because the force points straight along r , spinning the whole picture about the centre changes nothing — that rotational symmetry is what makes θ cyclic.
A planet mass m moves in a plane under a central potential V ( r ) (depends only on distance r ). Use polar coordinates ( r , θ ) : T = 2 1 m ( r ˙ 2 + r 2 θ ˙ 2 ) . Show that p θ is conserved and, for m = 1 , r = 2 , θ ˙ = 1.5 , compute its value.
Forecast: Which coordinate is cyclic — r or θ ? What quantity does the conserved p θ represent physically?
Step 1 — Lagrangian. L = T − V = 2 1 m ( r ˙ 2 + r 2 θ ˙ 2 ) − V ( r ) .
Why this step? Standard L = T − V ; note V has no θ in it because the force is central.
Step 2 — Spot the cyclic coordinate. θ appears in L only as θ ˙ , never as θ itself. So ∂ θ ∂ L = 0 .
Why this step? Noether's Theorem : a coordinate absent from L signals a symmetry (here rotational, visible as "spin the figure"), which forces a conservation law.
Step 3 — Conserved momentum. Euler–Lagrange gives p ˙ θ = ∂ L / ∂ θ = 0 , so p θ = m r 2 θ ˙ is constant. Numerically p θ = 1 ⋅ 2 2 ⋅ 1.5 = 6 kg⋅m 2 / s .
Why this step? p ˙ θ = 0 means p θ never changes — this is Angular momentum conservation.
Verify: Units kg⋅m 2 / s ✓. Physically p θ = L ang — the planet sweeps equal areas in equal times (Kepler's 2nd law), a direct consequence. ✓
The figure plots the torque Q θ ( θ ) = − m g ℓ sin θ . Notice it crosses zero at θ = 0 with a downward (negative) slope — the red tangent line — which is the signature of a stable equilibrium.
Take the pendulum of Ex 2 but at the equilibrium point θ = 0 (hanging straight down), momentarily at rest θ ˙ = 0 . Find p θ and Q θ .
Forecast: Both zero? Or does one of them survive at equilibrium?
Step 1 — Momentum. p θ = m ℓ 2 θ ˙ = m ℓ 2 ⋅ 0 = 0 .
Why this step? p θ ∝ θ ˙ ; with zero angular velocity there is zero angular momentum. This is the degenerate velocity input.
Step 2 — Force. Q θ = − m g ℓ sin ( 0 ) = 0 .
Why this step? sin 0 = 0 — at the bottom the gravity torque vanishes. This is exactly the equilibrium condition (Cell F).
Step 3 — Interpret. p ˙ θ = Q θ = 0 at this instant, so no angular acceleration right now . But it is a stable equilibrium: nudge θ positive and Q θ = − m g ℓ sin θ < 0 pushes back (see the negative slope in the figure).
Why this step? We check the sign of Q θ near the equilibrium, not just at it, to classify stability.
Verify: At θ = 0 : sin θ = 0 ⇒ Q θ = 0 ✓. Slope d θ d Q θ 0 = − m g ℓ cos 0 = − m g ℓ < 0 → restoring → stable ✓.
The figure shows the spinning wire (angular rate ω ) and the bead at distance r . The red arrow is the outward "centrifugal" generalized force — it comes from ∂ T / ∂ r , not from any potential.
A bead mass m = 0.5 kg slides on a frictionless straight wire that is forced to spin about the origin at constant angular rate ω = 4 rad/s (θ = ω t ). Coordinate: r . Then T = 2 1 m ( r ˙ 2 + r 2 ω 2 ) , V = 0 . Find p r and the generalized force Q r at r = 1 m .
Forecast: With V = 0 , is Q r zero? Or does a force appear from somewhere else?
Step 1 — Lagrangian. L = T − V = 2 1 m ( r ˙ 2 + r 2 ω 2 ) − 0 = 2 1 m r ˙ 2 + 2 1 m r 2 ω 2 .
Why this step? We must write L explicitly before differentiating; V = 0 so L is pure kinetic energy, but crucially it contains r (through the r 2 ω 2 term).
Step 2 — Momentum. p r = ∂ r ˙ ∂ L = m r ˙ .
Why this step? r is a length coordinate (Cell A), so p r is ordinary linear momentum along the wire.
Step 3 — Generalized force. By the boxed identity Q r = ∂ r ∂ L = ∂ r ∂ T − ∂ r ∂ V = m r ω 2 − 0 = m r ω 2 . At r = 1 : Q r = 0.5 ⋅ 1 ⋅ 4 2 = 8 N , pointing outward .
Why this step? Even with V = 0 , the generalized force ∂ L / ∂ r is nonzero because T itself depends on r (Cell E). This is the centrifugal effect, and it is legitimately called Q r — not a special "F eff " — because Q r = ∂ L / ∂ q is the definition.
Step 4 — Equation of motion & limiting check (ω → 0 ). Euler–Lagrange: p ˙ r = Q r ⇒ m r ¨ = m r ω 2 . If the wire stops spinning, Q r = m r ⋅ 0 = 0 — a free bead with no force (Cell G), recovering Ex 1.
Why this step? Every formula must reduce to the known simpler case in its limit; ω → 0 recovers the force-free particle.
Verify: Q r = 0.5 ⋅ 1 ⋅ 16 = 8 N ✓ ; at ω = 0 , Q r = 0 ✓. Units kg ⋅ m ⋅ s − 2 = N ✓ (length coordinate → real force).
The figure overlays the exact torque − m g ℓ sin θ (black) with the linear approximation − m g ℓ θ (red). Near θ = 0 they are almost indistinguishable — that is why tiny swings are simple harmonic.
For the Ex 2 pendulum (m = 1 , ℓ = 2 , g = 9.8 ), find the restoring torque at a small angle θ = 0.05 rad , and compare the exact value to the linear approximation Q θ ≈ − m g ℓ θ .
Forecast: How close is sin θ to θ for a 0.05 rad tilt? Under 0.1% error?
Step 1 — Exact torque. Q θ = − m g ℓ sin θ = − 1 ⋅ 9.8 ⋅ 2 ⋅ sin ( 0.05 ) .
Why this step? Angle coordinate ⇒ torque (Cell B); we keep the full sin first.
Step 2 — Linearize. For small θ , sin θ ≈ θ , giving Q θ ≈ − m g ℓ θ = − 19.6 ⋅ 0.05 = − 0.98 N⋅m .
Why this step? The small-angle limit (Cell G) turns the pendulum into a simple harmonic oscillator; this is why "SHM" holds for tiny swings.
Step 3 — Error size. Exact − 19.6 sin ( 0.05 ) = − 0.979837 … vs approx − 0.98 . Relative error ≈ 0.084% .
Why this step? We must quantify how good the approximation is, not just assert it.
Verify: ∣ Q exact − Q approx ∣/∣ Q approx ∣ ≈ 0.00084 < 0.001 ✓. The linear model is excellent below a few degrees. ✓
A skater spins with arms out: I 1 = 4 kg⋅m 2 , θ ˙ 1 = 2 rad/s . She pulls her arms in, dropping her moment of inertia to I 2 = 1 kg⋅m 2 . No external torque. Find the new spin rate θ ˙ 2 . Then check the degenerate case I 2 → I 1 .
Look at the figure: the red arrow is angular momentum p θ — the SAME length before and after.
Forecast: Does she spin faster or slower? Does θ ˙ stay constant (a common trap)?
Step 1 — Identify the conserved quantity. θ is cyclic (no external torque, ∂ L / ∂ θ = 0 ), so p θ = I θ ˙ is conserved.
Why this step? It is the momentum p θ that is conserved, not the velocity θ ˙ — this is the classic mistake.
Step 2 — Apply conservation. I 1 θ ˙ 1 = I 2 θ ˙ 2 ⇒ θ ˙ 2 = I 2 I 1 θ ˙ 1 = 1 4 ⋅ 2 = 8 rad/s .
Why this step? Equating p θ before and after directly solves for the new rate.
Step 3 — Degenerate check (I 2 = I 1 = 4 ). Then θ ˙ 2 = 4 4 ⋅ 2 = 2 rad/s = θ ˙ 1 : no change of inertia → no change of rate (Cell F).
Why this step? A sanity limit — if she does nothing, nothing should change.
Verify: p θ before = 4 ⋅ 2 = 8 ; after = 1 ⋅ 8 = 8 ✓ conserved. She spins 4× faster (8 rad/s vs 2 rad/s) because I dropped 4×; the degenerate case correctly returns 2 rad/s. ✓ Note the trap: the velocity θ ˙ changed even though the momentum p θ did not.
The figure shows the cart (coordinate x ) with the hanging bob (angle θ ). Sliding the whole apparatus left or right along the rail changes no energy, so x is cyclic even though the bob feels gravity through θ .
A cart mass M = 3 kg slides freely on a horizontal rail (coordinate x ); a bob mass m = 1 kg hangs from it on a light rod, angle θ . No horizontal external force. The horizontal generalized momentum is
p x = ( M + m ) x ˙ + m ℓ θ ˙ cos θ .
At an instant x ˙ = 0.4 m/s , ℓ = 2 , θ ˙ = 0.3 rad/s , θ = 6 0 ∘ . Compute p x and state why it is conserved.
Forecast: Is x cyclic even though the pendulum clearly feels gravity? What survives?
Step 1 — Check cyclicity of x . Gravity acts vertically; the potential V = − m g ℓ cos θ depends on θ only, not x . Kinetic energy depends on x ˙ but not x . So ∂ L / ∂ x = 0 → x is cyclic.
Why this step? Only x -dependence in L matters; the bob's gravity enters through θ , leaving x ignorable. Hence horizontal momentum is conserved.
Step 2 — Evaluate p x . p x = ( 3 + 1 ) ⋅ 0.4 + 1 ⋅ 2 ⋅ 0.3 ⋅ cos 6 0 ∘ = 1.6 + 0.6 ⋅ 0.5 = 1.6 + 0.3 = 1.9 kg⋅m/s .
Why this step? Just substitute; the cos θ weight is the ∂ r / ∂ q -style projection of the bob's motion onto the horizontal.
Step 3 — Meaning. p ˙ x = ∂ L / ∂ x = 0 , so this 1.9 kg⋅m/s stays fixed while x and θ evolve, exchanging momentum between cart and bob.
Why this step? Conservation lets you predict the cart's recoil without solving the full coupled equations.
Verify: p x = 4 ⋅ 0.4 + 2 ⋅ 0.3 ⋅ 0.5 = 1.6 + 0.3 = 1.9 ✓. Units kg⋅m/s ✓ (length coordinate → linear momentum). Conserved because x absent from L . ✓
Recall Quick self-test
Which cell is "no potential yet a force appears"? ::: Cell E — the force hides in ∂ T / ∂ q (Ex 5, centrifugal term).
For a cyclic coordinate, what is constant — velocity or momentum? ::: The momentum p j (Ex 3, Ex 7). Velocity generally changes.
What are the units of Q θ for an angle coordinate? ::: Torque, N⋅m (Ex 2).
In the skater problem, why does she spin faster? ::: p θ = I θ ˙ is conserved; I dropped 4× so θ ˙ rose 4× (Ex 7).
Mnemonic The one-line master check
"Length → newtons & kg·m/s; angle → newton·metres & kg·m²/s." Get the units right and you have almost surely used the right formula.